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Seeing that all of my aforementioned theses were considered misogynistic rants instead of logical debates I would like to open this up. I want to hear woman's perceptions of men, particularly the negative ones; think of the man that cheated on you, broke your heart, stole from you, used you, how are we inferior? and to the men: do the same, this is a catharsis, dont hold back, post everything, trust me you will feel better but more importantly you will concurrently open dialog and many sub debates.

It is my conclusion that political correctness in the society and within genders is the thing that is keeping both from seeing eye to eye, or resolving any differences. This is the only way to address the gender gaps and what it is about the other that you dont like, maybe we could make history in this community

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	feei 2005-09-10 02:18 am UTC (link)
	I like both genders the same. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	theinamorato 2005-09-10 02:20 am UTC (link)
	You can't like all of them all the time, think of an instance where you have truly hated men, please repost your rant (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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nova_usagi
2005-09-10 02:50 am UTC (link)

It's hard to just come up with anything I hate about men. I dislike many things people do... But something that men specifically do is a different story.

Let's see, I dislike it when guys...
* Hit on me even when they know I'm dating/taken. I feel like they think that's I'm that easy, or that they think that they have something that my boyfriend is lacking... So it seems like an asshole thing to do from my point of view.
* Hit on me or flirt with me. I don't like being hit on in general, because I purposely avoid leading men on or giving mixed signals. I also will mention at least once that I have a boyfriend when having a conversation. I'm not touchy-feely with other guys either. So it seems like the guy is slow when coming to obvious hints.
* Are rednecks/hillbillies and refer to me as Ma'am, as if it's suave. I'm 20, not 45. ...But that's more of a regional/cultural thing.
* Play too much Halo and Halo2. I suck at the game and I can never beat anyone.

I guess that's it. The first two apply to both sexes pretty much. I dislike it when people hit on those who're not interested or try to get into the pants of people who they know are dating.

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	theinamorato 2005-09-10 06:48 pm UTC (link)
	Good points, thank you for that, maybe you can open up some eyes (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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Sorry if this is kind of all over the place...

puppet_freaksho
2005-09-10 03:04 am UTC (link)

But I haven't slept in a while, and I'm kind of out of it...

To be perfectly honest, with the exception of a very select few, I prefer the company of men over women. However, if we are speaking about what it is that I dislike about men, I can try to appease your inquiry.

Most of the men that I have encountered have been hypocrites. Not to say that women aren't but most men that I have been involved with have not understood the concept of "what's good for me is good for you".

I was not "allowed" to go out with friends, and that was perfectly logical. However, should I try and protest against them from going out with their friends I was "smothering" and being "unreasonable."

In the same token, some of my ex's had this warped sense of, "My ex girlfriend is my best friend and you have to just deal with that" even though I am forced to phase out any male friends that I have had, regardless of the nature of our past.

Many of them would "rush" to their side if they had a problem (even if it entails the ex crying over a fight she was having with the man she left him for), and yet if I sat and cried my eyes out, they would act as if I am bothering them.

I realize that there is little difference between the hypocrisy of men and that of women. I am just stating that in my experiences that I have dealt with men who were "always right", "always justified", and "always carrying the upper hand".

When going out on dates, I can't stand it when a guy A. Talks incessantly about a past relationship, B. Acts super interested in you and everything you have to say, until he realizes that you're not gonna have sex with him and/or C. gets super clingy super quickly. Women like attention, but too much too fats throws up big red flashing signs of insincerity and emotional issues.

Outside of the relationship factor, I despise men that honk at me when I am walking down the street. Even more so when they honk and shout out things like, "Hey baby, you lookin’ fine" or something equally idiotic.

Obviously if they think that by honking at a woman and shouting mindless drivel out of their car window is a good way to convey an interest (be it passing or otherwise) then they are either severely socially inept, or just plain assholes.

I hate it when men brag or act vain. If the most intelligent conversation you can muster consists of how much money you make, and how you work out every day for four hours to "get these guns", then I immediately tune you out.

Also, similarly, I cant stand liars. Bad liars no less. I had one guy try and convince me that he was this big "music sensation", who actually tried to lay claim for some obscure Vanilla Ice songs. That was probably the worst I had ever heard. But I have heard my fair share of groaners.

One of my biggest pet peeve is MOMMA'S BOYS!!!! I am all for a son loving and respecting his mother and family. However, when you're an adult, and mommy still calls the shots and thinks for you, that is insanely irritating.. Love your mother, by all means... but seriously... there is a line.

Overly flirtatious and "hands on" men. Weather you're out with the guy and he feels it's necessary to have a hand on you at all times, or he can't seem to speak to a female without touching them in some way, overly flirty, touchy-feely guys make me wince.

That is pretty much the overall disdain that I feel towards men. Nothing too severe. Just aggravating.

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	mindwindow 2005-09-10 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	Face it, you are an object (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: Sorry if this is kind of all over the place... theinamorato 2005-09-10 06:43 pm UTC (link)
	Talks incessantly about a past relationship I have yet to be on a date with a girl who did not do this, the opposite in my case. But thank you for that post, greatly appreciated, you gave me alot to think about (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: Sorry if this is kind of all over the place... i_am_pellucid 2005-09-11 06:12 am UTC (link)
	It sounds like you allow yourself to be controlled by men of a fairly negative stereotype or simply choose to surround yourself with shallow assholes. Either way, you're doing it to yourself. It's usually those "clingy" guys who turn out not to be assholes; what you call "clingy" is what they call "devoted." (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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nova_usagi
2005-09-11 09:01 pm UTC (link)

Until the crying your eyes out part are just cases of typical double-standards. People in general do that. If the guys you've dated all did those things, they were just insecure and/or self-centered bitches. Girls are just as guilty concerning that sort of double-standards as well. It has to do with the inability to sympathize with the other person (or viewpoint). You need to date a nice and confident/secure guy. Avoid those asshole guys.

I agree with you A B and C dislikes. It's bothersome when both guys and gals pull that tripe.

No one likes liars. There's no guarantee that the liar is ever telling the truth.

I can understand the touchy-feely bit. I don't like people (specifically guys) touching me or invading my personal space. My boyfriend can be as affectionate in public or wherever, whenever. I'm thinking that you don't mind the guy that you're dating, touching you.

It seems like you've been used by guys. And it seems like you've been dating the same type of guy (which you hold disdain toward) over and over. You need to get out of the habit of dating such guys. I don't know how exactly one goes about doing something like that. Are you not attracted to "nice guys" and think of them as friend only material?

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	epictetus_rex 2005-09-10 05:32 am UTC (link)
	God. This was one of the most sexist posts I have ever seen. shakes head (Reply to this)

i_am_pellucid
2005-09-10 06:01 am UTC (link)

Most women are incapable of having any depth of thought or substance of character. Even the most inane men feebly attempt to contemplate philosophical issues in their drunken stupors; the only women who I have ever heard utter meaningful philosophy are women who are or were ostricized by their own gender. The female social structure is staggeringly superficial and deceitful. Sometimes I honestly think that we would be better off without equal rights for women.

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	theinamorato 2005-09-10 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	Sometimes I feel the same way (Reply to this) (Parent)

	nova_usagi 2005-09-11 09:12 pm UTC (link)
	Reading that makes me think that you just surround yourself with mediocre girls and inane men. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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As in a lot of other areas of life, people pretty generally get the OTHER people they deserve (i.e. those who match in quality and perspective what they are putting out, themselves). If you meet women without "depth of thought or substance of character" you need to look at what you are putting out, yourself. And if you can't see the connection, it only means you are not seeing yourself very clearly.

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	chickenthegreat 2005-09-10 01:44 pm UTC (link)
	Arrogance. Both sexes, but that's what I can't stand the most in anyone. (Reply to this) (Thread)

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	non-partisanship will get you nowhere yo (Reply to this) (Parent)

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amoraserum
2005-09-10 02:56 pm UTC (link)

Although I have had many differences with the men in my life, I don't know that I can hold the entire male species responsible for the troubles that I have had with individuals. Oh, believe me, I would like to...but I just cannot do so. I don't find it conceivable that men or women should form pre-conceived perceptions based on heart-break.
As a matter of fact, I believe that this is one of our largest contributing factors to the gender-gap...that nearly everyone has been hurt at some point in time and they hold hostility and animosity toward members of the opposite sex because of it.

However, if you are looking for a complaint against men...my problems in relationships always seem to begin when the man becomes overly jealous or controlling. Jealousy is a major turn-off. It immediately angers me. Same thing for controlling possessive behavior. If you can't trust me, I don't want or need you. At all! Trust is just as important as is open communication.

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	mindwindow 2005-09-10 04:33 pm UTC (link)
	I'm jus sayin yo, womens an mens is different kid The only beef men should have is with hypocritical women and ladies who to prove themselves at all costs by acting like a man. Also, the sex and the city model is bullshit: ladies ask yourself why those girl-power chicken-necked turkey-faces are having trouble finding a good man... (Reply to this) (Thread)

theinamorato
2005-09-10 06:41 pm UTC (link)

hey bro, I was just reading through your journal, you got your shit together and you are years ahead of me, I am looking for a job now, my resources and entrepreneurial creative juices depleted. I have relevant experience and qualifications, not far out to get into the industry at this stage, think you could email me a copy of your resume? or some advice?

josephthelover@hotmail.com
my unfinished resume is at my profile

Joseph

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igorius_maximus
2005-09-10 08:58 pm UTC (link)

I hate it how women complain about this "glass ceiling" when it comes to advancing in their carreers, but then add that this happens because women aren't the kind that want the control and power that come with management positions. What DO they want then?

For that matter, I find that many girls find it hard to make up their mind about things.

Here's a widespread folly that applies to pretty much all females in modern societies: shopping. They go to get themselves something, they come out wiht 12943527234 other things and are proud of it. Or they would just go shopping as a "hobby".

However I'd also like to add that I know of some girls that are awesome people to hang around with. Hence I find some girls stupid, some not, just like there are a lot of stupid and not-so-stupid guys.

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theinamorato
2005-09-10 10:04 pm UTC (link)

ate it how women complain about this "glass ceiling" when it comes to advancing in their carreers, but then add that this happens because women aren't the kind that want the control and power that come with management positions. What DO they want then?

I have no idea! to add to that; i hate how women that are in power adopt a masculine personality and attitude, theres absolutely nothing feminine about the modernday business woman, they dress in suits and are like men.

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	fading37embers 2005-09-10 09:13 pm UTC (link)
	What is this? Some kind of debate to promote sex discrimination? I find most of the comments offensive, the ones about women obviously because I am one, but the ones about men as well. I view each sex equally. However, I dislike people in general. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	theinamorato 2005-09-10 10:00 pm UTC (link)
	So, because YOU find it offensive it is going to stop people from having these opinions? atleast it is out and in the open, now address the ones you dont like Also, please elaborate on the people thing (Reply to this) (Parent)

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marciamarcia
2005-09-23 03:19 pm UTC (link)

What I hate about men:
- That you can't tell them about a crappy situation or day you've had without them feeling like you expect them to DO something about it for you and then acting all put upon. Hey Assclown, I just want you to listen. I don't expect you to fix shit for me.
- That they always assume they're right. So you can say "I don't think that's right" and they get pissed off, do it their way, fuck it up, and then get pissed at you. And, despite this, they have the gall to claim that they're more logical.
- That they make fun of "girl talk" and whine about why girls have to overanalyze everything. Then, you get a couple straight male best friends and you find out that they do the EXACT SAME THING. Just behind closed doors.
- That they feel like it's totally OK to generalize "all women do this" but the second that you try to generalize to men they get all pouty and try to claim you're exaggerating and being overly emotional.
- That any time you're pissed off, they try to blame it on your period.
- That they assume lesbians are there to entertain them. I'm bi. I've only dated a couple of girls. But son of a bitch if every guy didn't think me holding my girlfriend's waist was an invitation for him to come over and leer and tell us to kiss. Fuck you, asshole. I'm not your porn video. And the guys that blatantly hit on my girlfriend right in front of me? You all can go to hell to. Show me some fucking courtesy. You wouldn't do that to another man...don't assume that we're just flirting with each other to get your attention.
- That so many of them believe they can't be honest with the women in their lives.

What I hate about women:
- That so many of them assume "crazy" equals "sexy" and play up the "oh, I'm SOOOO bipolar/depressed/manic/a cutter/etc" thing to get attention. No, I'm not saying that this is what everyone with a mental disorder is doing so don't jump down my throat. But, seriously, there are a bunch of girls who do this and we all know it. I could add that I hate that guys buy into this crap as well...
- That they don't just tell you what they mean. If a guy has a problem with you, he'll say so. If a girl has a problem with you, she'll tell everyone else you know that you're a whore and call you her best friend when you're together. This is why most of my friends are men. I should point out that there ARE men who do this, too. But there's fewer of them. They suck, too.
- That so many of them are perfectly happy to coast by on sexism because it allows them to be lazy. While claiming to hate sexism. I know a lot of chicks who will march on Washington for abortion rights or equal pay, but the second they get a flat tire it's all "oooh, where's a man who'll do this for me?" Fuck that. You can't have chivalry and equality. Chivalry is based on the idea that you're weaker and need to be protected. Suck it up. Get over it. Decide what you want.
- That so many of them believe they can't be honest with the men in their lives.

Phew. You're right. That was fun.

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	visp 2005-09-23 09:46 pm UTC (link)
	It's not a matter of Men vs. Women. It's a matter of people being assholes. Since people includes both men and women, you will find scum of both gender. (Reply to this)

cornered_buddah
2005-09-24 12:13 am UTC (link)

I think that its interesting that i dislike men and women for different reasons.

I also find it interesting that these dislikes for both have been created and reinforced/intensified by society. If we do discuss these dislikes (as has been done for countless years) then they will likely be exibited through inequal social-power distribution and end up with one sex being a winner and one being a loser. History has taught us which will be which if the social-power distribution has largely remained the same.

Its probably got something to do with the fact that sometimes people just do not want to think for themselves and that its easier to fall into these moulds. If these moulds entail being an asshole in some sexually categorized way then i agree with visp...people are just assholes...but asshole behaviour is acceptable as non-assholish if it coresponds with their sexual category. If this happens the individual wont be to blame their sex will.

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	You are a shit stirring troll, and what is more, you are pondscum. (Reply to this)

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2005-10-17 10:13 am UTC (link)

1. Might like you & act like they hate you, then have the adacity to ask why you won't go out w/ them- Really, how logical is that??? Who does this win over???? Oh baby!!! Maybe when we're alone you can smash my face in w/ a bottle. What a f#cking turn-on!!!! Maybe you think you're playing it cool but, to me being an @$$hole, & playing it cool are to seperate things. It's one thing to play hard to get, or not to anxious, it's another to spit on me, & treat me like $hit. Oh this may attract some women but, they'll all be mentally unstable nutcases who will annoy you w/ there mass amounts of insicurity.

2. Let pride cloud there better judgment- A man could have the best g/f in the world, & he will let his friends destroy the relationship by saying "you're whipped". Next thing you know there loving relationship turn sour b/c he starts treating her like a dog.

3. Objectify women- No, I'm not talking sexually. I'm talking about the fact that men seem to veiw women more as mere things to be used, & disguarded, or property then actual people.

4. Are hypocrites- Men really don't seem to care how they treat others, esp. women. The reason you can't get laid, & are constantly sexuallly frustrated is not b/c she's trying to tease you. It's b/c she knows you'll likely call her a slut, & brag to all your friends who will then sexually harass her non-stop. Also, a man thinks he can cheat because "he the man" but, a women's called a slut if she cheats. A man thinks he has the right to stop her from going out w/ her friends but, if she does the same it's called smothering. If a women logically complains or overly generalizes about men it's called whining, or man-hating, and they say you're exagerating, or being overly emotional but, if a man does it about women, & is a total mysoginist w/ little or nothing to back up their argument it's considered normal, typical, and okay. That they make fun of "girl talk" & whine about why girls have to over- analyze everything. Yet I know lots of straight males do the exact same thing w/ women. If they're best friends w/ their ex's they expect you to "just deal w/ it". If you're best friends w/ yours all he11 breaks loose!!! If a man bosses a women around, & treats her w/ no respect, he expects her to except that b/c "he's a man". If a women even ask for something she's a nag, or somehow taking away his masculinity.

5. Women due all the work in the relationship yet men still think they as men should be boss. Men expect to be the boss, even though they take no responsibility in terms of morals, or chores around the house. That's like a child expecting to be the boss of the parent. It's ludacris.

6. Are narrow-minded & biggoted- There are way more men in hate groups then women, more men who will use racist & sexist slang, & men have a history of being in control, and then inslaving others. historically speaking, male dominated socities tend to be more racist, and oppressive to the oppossing sex than female dominated socities.

6. Are proud of the stupidest things- If a man boils an egg he expects a round of applause. Why???? You don't applause for us when we boil an egg. (note egg boiling is just an example, kind of a joking example but, there's also more serious 1's, like cleaning house, doing the dishes, ect. that the women get stuck w/, that men take for granted, that when a man deos it he expects it to be rare, and he expects alot of credit for it)

7. Lie compulsivly- Men will even over the most trivial thing, & later you'll find out wounder "why the he11 would they lie about that". Fact is they lie out of habit b/c they're trying to cover their tracks. There so used to lying to get there way, & cover up what they done behind their g/f's back, they lie when they don't need to.

8. Gossip over women they have, haven't but lie & say they have, or want to f#ck a girl. Nothing wrong w/ wanting to have sex, or talking about it. It's the mysoginist way they do it. Lying when you haven't, and being all sexist, & then grabbing your crotch & spiting while saying "then I'd dump her, & tell her what a stupid slut she was", or "then I'd tell that b!tch to go to the dishes". All that macho cr@p is insulting, & the reason in real life you'll never get any.

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Men: Part 2 (LJ wouldn't let me post all of it at once)

jivelearnal
2005-10-17 10:14 am UTC (link)

9. Hardly ever talk & rarely if ever think- This is probly why they are so tactless selfish & apathetic. For the most part, they're like plants. They don't think.

10. Have no morals, & take little, or no responsibility for their actions unless held acountable. Generally men only act on impulse. They do whatever they feel w/o regards to others, or justice. If a man thinks he can treat you like $h!t, and get away w/ it, he probably will. They have no real concionce, and strength in character.

11. Have no class. They think dicusting things like gass, and snot, are funny. They think throwing themselves at women is exceptable. Personally, seeings how you're way physically stronger than us it can be a bit threatening, and scary at times, esp. when the guy does wanna take no for an answer.

12. Whine about women being gold diggers when they advertise their wealth. That's much like a women dressing half naked, and then woundering while all the guys she goes out w/ use her for sex. It's ludacris. If you're not advertising you have a right to complain but, if you try to impress people, & flash people w/ the very thing you don't want people to use you for it's stupidity.

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