The Situation ([info]stoney321) wrote in [info]0hmyheck,
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Meta on Missionaries, their rules, and the Church's attitude towards their work force
(This is not an excerpt, just answers to some questions I've been asked about missionaries. There is a portion of the book dedicated to the Mission process, as I - before I was married - almost left for a mission of my own. Thank [the god of your choice] that I didn't go.)



"I Hope They Call Me On A Mission When I Have Grown A Foot Or Two/
I hope by then I will be ready to preach and teach and work as missionaries do."

Hymn #169 in my old orange songbook. LDS kids learn this song from the age of 2. You are trained to hope for a mission, trained to understand that if you are a male, you will be going on a mission, because another quote all Mormon kids learn is "I will go and do the things that the Lord hath commanded." Not I'm gonna try, wouldn't it be fun if, but I will.

Girls can go on missions, but not at the same age as boys (that's how they try and control any hanky panky, you see.) Girls cannot go until they are 21, while boys "get their mission calls" at 19.

It's funny to me (now) that the LDS church loves to profess its belief in Free Will. Things are set in motion before we came to this earth, but you must choose your personal path. But you better not choose wrong, that's all I'm saying. Because if you chose wrong, you are personally responsible for all the souls you didn't bring along with you to the Promised Land.

If you're a 19 year old kid, not even sure of who you are, barely able to deal with acne, your boners, and your parents, now suddenly you're mature enough to hold the responsibility for the faceless masses you've not even met yet. Responsible for their eternal salvation.

So how many guys do you think don't go on missions? Not a lot. There are a lot of miserable, questioning, scared kids out there doing what they are told.

Before you head out to your mission area, you go to Provo, Utah to the Missionary Training Center, or MTC. This is where you learn the process of teaching, in a three week crash course if you're going to an English speaking region, or 6 weeks if foreign. They teach them how to approach people, the language and culture all in three/six weeks.

They train them to use a binder for any pictures and teaching material, but to hold it in your lap and close it UP, so their eyes are drawn to your intense, sincere faces. Please remember that Steven "7 Habits of Highly Successful People" Covey is LDS.

There is a specific order that they teach the "lessons" to potential members. They save all the wacky stuff for after they've baptized them, incidentally. That's when they teach you about things like tithing, becoming a God in the next life, that Mormons believe that Jesus is married to Mary Magdalene, that sort of thing. But hey, they've got you on the roles, so if you drift away, they still have the bump in numbers.

Another important thing to understand about the mission process: you pay for your OWN mission. Something to the tune of $600 US dollars a month, which, if you're in a third world country, that stretches pretty far. Think about all that your son/daughter is paying for: their room and board in many cases (some places have designated homes for LDS missionaries, but not everywhere) any clothing that needs replacing, food and gas money. 19 year old boy, paying for his own food, most likely for the first time. They usually have $150 dollars out of that 600 for food. That's per month. 19 - 21 year old boys, because they don't eat a lot.

Now, I have three young kids and I spend a couple hundred dollars on groceries every week and a half. What I'm saying is, even though you may not agree with their dogma, if you have a spare granola bar lying around when you see a missionary, give it to him, would ya? (You can make the caveat of you'll feed them if they don't proselytize. If it's at the end of the month when they're really hungry, you'll get no fight. I can guarantee that. *g*)

When you're on a mission, you are working for the Lord 24/7, period. There are no phone calls to chat to anyone. You can call twice a year from a members home to tell your parents you love them on Christmas and on Mother's Day. That's it. There is no going off any where by yourself. Except to the toilet. You are constantly with your companion. That was something that bugged me about Latter Days, aside from the flamboyant guy being SO over the top: you're never alone. Maybe for a few minutes here and there, but that is IT.

And here's the other thing: you are encouraged to rat on your companion if you see or even suspect them breaking any rule. What are the rules? There's over 100 of them, you can read them all here.

When your brief period with your companion is over (a missionary averages 6 -8 companions over the course of the 2 years they are gone, 18 months for girls - they're so delicate, the ladies) you have an exit interview with the man that oversees your mission area, the Mission President (or MP.)

This is when you're supposed to confess THEIR sins. If you have any, then you're supposed to confess, too.

Now, depending on the severity of the rule breaking, you might be re-assigned, you might be punished by having to work with the MP and have no contact with the other missionaries, or the worst, you'll be sent home in disgrace. EVERYONE will know what happened, because the LDS church is made up of old, gossipy ladies disguised as male leaders. Plus, every LDS member knows how long a mission is, they all know when you leave (your home parish/ward throws a special Sunday Service for exiting missionaries, and another one when they return in triumph) so if you show back up after 13 months, the jig is up.

When I was heading off to college, my step-father was in charge of all the missionary transportation. That meant that my house was crawling with eligible Mormon males at all times. Well, they weren't really eligible, and I knew that but... my older sister who never was a real member of the church, didn't.

Let's just say that one of the missionaries in the area and she got... close. And he "left early." As did his companion and about 6 other missionaries (notice the even number) for having girlfriends. My sister and her missionary got married, and eventually he was allowed back in the church. It was a massive scandal, dating a missionary. (I would like to state for the record that the other 7 guys were drinking it up and going to strip clubs.)

So there's no dating on a mission (they hope) which means that if you leave a girl behind, she'll do one of three things:


  • wait for you (there's a famous character from a Mormon musical, Saturday's Warrior, named Wally Kestler that is asked "will I wait for you?" when he leaves for his mission. She does. Until she doesn't any more.)

  • break it off so you can "focus on God" and hope that you'll get back together when you're home, meanwhile she's living it up back home

  • say she's waiting and date around, resulting in a "Dear John" letter when she meets her real special someone



You're not supposed to write letters of a romantic sort. You can write her letters, but only on Monday (Preparation Day, aka when you do your laundry) and only about how strong your spirit is, how wonderful the Lord is, and how many baptisms you've performed that week - you can get in serious trouble for writing anything remotely romantic.

My cousin was assigned to Russia for his mission, back in '91. He was excited as he already spoke the language and loved the culture and rich history. Not one baptism. I mean, come on. It's Russia: In Soviet Russia Mother Russia baptizes you! Mormons don't practice Communism any more (they did during Joseph Smith's time, incidentally) and Russians don't care about Jewish Naval Indians building up America. America is the enemy! So, he came back completely depressed, because going on a mission is all about baptisms. Er, bringing people back to Christ's Church.

He became incredibly despondent and depressed, feeling like a complete failure for not bringing one sheep back into the fold. This went on for years.

Another family friend's son became incredibly ill in the third world country he was assigned to and almost died. And he kept trying to go back every time he was hospitalized. His sister was married to Joseph Smith's ancestor, he couldn't shame the family by having an incomplete mission! So he went to another place, in the US, and because the parasite that almost killed him wasn't completely out of his system, he collapsed again and was rushed to the hospital, almost dying a third time. He finally came home, defeated. It took him years to shake the feeling that he'd let every one down by not staying for a full 2 years. If his faith had only been stronger, he could have beat the illness!

It's madness, the pressure put on these kids.

And the church doesn't care. They don't pay for any medical care, they don't pay for their food or fresh water, they don't make sure they have protection in hostile areas...

The parasite kid? His older brother went to Columbia for his mission. He and his comp made a wrong turn on a jungle path, thinking they were entering a village. They entered a drug den, and were completely surrounded by guerrilla terrorists with automatic weapons pointing at their faces. It took several minutes for my friend to explain that they were missionaries and they'd made a mistake. Because of their dress, the guerrillas thought they were CIA agents.

They went home and went on about their business. The church didn't intervene, give them a day off to calm down, nothing.

You do know the Mormon church is the second wealthiest religion in the world, right? That's a lot of money. The clergy aren't paid in the Church, the missionaries pay for their own expenses, so the church gets free labor. They coerce their rolls to perform through fear of eternal damnation and no one says boo about it.

"I will go and do as the Lord hath commanded."

Say it without inflection, and that's about right: robots.

There's a real problem with guys committing suicide from coming home with an "unsuccessful mission." In fact, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in your males in Utah. For those that don't make a Final Decision, there's just good old depression. The number of Prozac prescriptions in the state of Utah per capita is higher than any where else in the U.S.

This is what the Lord hath commanded?



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[info]moosesal
2008-08-20 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Jesus having been married to Mary Magdalene,

So they believe he was married to her or not? I wasn't clear by the way you stated this. I'm personally of the opinion that Jesus should have been getting some. All that stress on him, the least he deserved was a blowjob or two. Right?

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-20 03:36 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yeah, Jesus was married to her in the LDS religion. (And right on: all that stress? Judas and Peter duking it out over his favor... I'm just saying.)

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(no subject) - [info]moosesal, 2008-08-20 03:43 pm UTC
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[info]tabaqui
2008-08-20 04:53 pm UTC (link)
God, these posts make me want to *hurt* people. Very, very badly. GODS.

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-20 04:53 pm UTC (link)
It's so awful, right?!

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[info]graylor
2008-08-20 05:14 pm UTC (link)
So I can just look at roving Mormon missionaries as out-of-season trick-or-treaters? "Aw, honey, don't you two look sweet in your suit--have some ice water and a tomato sandwich." Though I doubt they'd have much interest in witnessing to me: a single woman, alone--surely that would be an Occasion for Sin, and thus avoided, yes?

Seriously, the whole thing of sending out kids to bring religion to the unwashed masses has always seemed more about mentally breaking down said kids rather than evangelizing. The elders know the missionaries are going to fail to get a baptism most of the time, will be mocked, will suffer pointless privation... and then go home and cling to the "elect" because outsiders are so mean.

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[info]enigmaticblues
2008-08-20 06:01 pm UTC (link)
I just feel awful for these people. Granted, I was raised evangelical, but I moved away from home and eventually made my own decision on my faith. I never felt this sort of pressure.

IMHO, if your religion is actually causing a spike in depression, you're doing it wrong.

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[info]thebratqueen
2008-08-20 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I love how according to the rules full-court basketball is a sin, but half-court is okay.

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-20 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Isn't that hilariously bizarre? I think I asked a missionary about that once, and he mumbled something about it being less taking on your heart, or you only had to pay attention to a little bit of the court, leaving the rest of your brain free to keep an eye out for Satan. Or contacts. *eye roll*

SO STUPID.

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(no subject) - [info]thebratqueen, 2008-08-20 11:51 pm UTC

[info]elfgirl
2008-08-20 09:59 pm UTC (link)
46. Do not engage in water sports.

I do not think that means what you think it means. heh.

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-20 10:12 pm UTC (link)
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Well, Satan DOES have rule over bodies of water, so that kinda fits... HEEE.

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[info]montyollie
2008-08-20 10:13 pm UTC (link)
LOL I took the 7 Habits course long before I knew what Mormons were. I just knew they were some kind of cult. I remember one day the instructor was telling us about how a lot of people won't buy into the 7 Habits because "Covey was a Mormon" and it was their loss.

As SOON as those words were out of his mouth, I totally lost all respect for the course. I couldn't take it seriously anymore, knowing it was steeped in a cult. Then my sister started calling it my "7 Habits of Highly Effective Mormons" course and I got the giggles. I think I had to go back for three more weeks or so, and I never could take the damn thing seriously after that.

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[info]a2zmom
2008-08-20 10:19 pm UTC (link)
The whole missionary angle is just weird to me partly because prostelizing is the opposite of us elitist Jews. (what, you want to become a Jew? No, I don't think so. I don't think you really want to and we'd rather not have you.)

And sending kids off to basically fail for the most part seems unnecessarily cruel. And hey, even the Amish let their kids run wild for a year. What's up, LDS?

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[info]anelith
2008-08-21 12:16 am UTC (link)
Before reading this I always thought that if I saw Mormon missionaries (so distinctive, so easily recognizable) I would hastily cross the street and keep away so that they could not proselytize to me, but now I feel so sorry for them that I think I'd go out of my way to be kind. Still don't want to be preached at but would do what I could to make them feel better. What an awful bind these kids are in. I wish I could just take them by the shoulders and shake them until they got some sense in their heads...

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-21 12:27 am UTC (link)
Honestly, they get a lot of negative treatment, so if you told them up front that you weren't interested in their religion, but just wanted to buy them a Sprite or something, they'd be eternally (har) grateful. I usually offer them water when I see them, on the condition that they don't try to preach to me. :)

(They usually don't mind, poor kids.)

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[info]_divya_
2008-08-21 03:38 am UTC (link)
WHOA. How interesting, but, but... whoa.

ETA: absolutely HAD to edit to add this icon. Also, whoa.

Edited at 2008-08-21 03:39 am UTC

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[info]kseenaa
2008-08-24 07:14 pm UTC (link)
Damn scary... *shakes head*

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[info]gehayi
2008-08-28 03:57 pm UTC (link)
I ran into a couple of Mormon missionaries (girls) at the library a week or so ago. Nice-looking girls, though they seemed tired...but their approach was all wrong. First they started with, "Hello. Can we tell you about Jesus?"

Now, they were very hopeful. Quite eager. The problem was that after twelve years of religion classes in Catholic schools, I didn't want to hear one scrap about Jesus. So I said, very politely, "No, thank you."

Their next move utterly stunned me. One of them glanced down at my walker and said, "Do you know any other handicapped people who might want to learn about Jesus?" As if all handicapped people were members of a private club, and they'd be particularly susceptible to their message.

I gave them both a rather amazed stare and said, "No, I don't." Which was true, as I don't know any other handicapped people. And everyone I know is quite satisfied with their religion or lack thereof.

After a few moments of them staring back at me in bafflement, they muttered something and loped up the street, clearly hoping to find some able-bodied converts.

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-28 05:02 pm UTC (link)
They change up their game plan all the time - the success rate is so low in first and second world countries.

...but their second question to you? BEYOND THE PALE. (But don't you have like, a transmitter that calls all handicapped to attention at the push of a button? *eyeroll*)

Astounding. You would have been justified to bonk them over the head with your walker, imo.

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[info]viorica8957
2008-08-30 01:55 am UTC (link)
Steven "7 Habits of Highly Successful People" Covey is LDS.

We were forced to read his son's book in middle school. Having read this, it makes a lot more (disturbing) sense now.

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[info]stoney321
2008-08-30 02:33 am UTC (link)
Next time you're in a Marriott hotel, notice that you won't find a Gideon's Bible there. It'll be a BoM, because the Marriotts are Mormon too.

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[info]mllesatine
2008-09-04 09:41 am UTC (link)
I really thought that the church would pay for lodging and medical care at least. Now I have to remark that 600 Dollar is a lot of money but it should be sufficient for rent and food in most parts of the world.

That being said, I have one question: Where is that Church money going to then?

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[info]stoney321
2008-09-04 11:46 am UTC (link)
You'd think that they'd care for their own, huh? Nope! And it's more like $400 a month, I've found. And for kids on a mission in third world countries, it's almost a fortune. My friends that served in Chile and Columbia never went hungry. But they get called to places like Tokyo and London, and the cities in the US, and that's barely enough for rent in the worst of neighborhoods, let alone eating money. And that's ALL the money they get, for rent, food, laundry, etc. It's insane.

That money goes to the coffers! They buy up land, build more churches and temples.... no one really knows. They are, however, the SECOND richest religion in the world. Pretty damn impressive for only being around 170+ years. It took the Catholic church centuries to amass their wealth.

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(no subject) - [info]mllesatine, 2008-09-04 03:57 pm UTC

[info]justhuman
2008-09-06 03:17 am UTC (link)
What's all this nonsense about cars? I thought bicycles were part of the rules. *Sigh* I guess it went the way of the prohibition against zippers ;-)

Elfgirl beat me to it because I was going to point out the watersports rule.

It's so very, very wrong to think that most of the rules would be great ficathon prompts, like...

The four rules that John and Rodney kept and the one they didn't

Thanks for posting all this!

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[info]stoney321
2008-09-06 03:27 pm UTC (link)
They have cars in certain areas - not everyone gets a car. Usually they're resrved for lady missionaries (they have to wear dresses, which aren't always conducive to bike riding.) ALL BOYS have bikes, just on some occasions, they get to drive.

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[info]affectingly
2008-09-06 04:44 am UTC (link)
Man, this is all so terrifyingly close to the religion I grew up in. (Jehovah's Witnesses) Except it's not required, but it's considered a great privilege if you do go on missionary work and everyone else pretty much thinks the people who do shit rainbows. It's creepy.

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[info]stoney321
2008-09-06 03:29 pm UTC (link)
!!! YES - lots of things that are similar, especially the disfellowshipping and excommunication. Not the exact same, but very similar. I dated a boy that was Jehovah's Witness for a while and learned a lot about it.

And we're both agreed on the creepy aspect. Ick.

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[info]waltzingalong
2008-09-10 04:54 pm UTC (link)
EVERYONE will know what happened, because the LDS church is made up of old, gossipy ladies disguised as male leaders.

This is trufax. Excellent post, I'm now following this comm :)

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[info]stoney321
2008-09-10 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Man, isn't it the truth? Sheesh.

And hello! Welcome aboard. :D

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[info]vesi_y
2008-10-23 12:41 pm UTC (link)
Hi, just wanted to tell you that I enjoy reading your writings, and hope that once your book is out it'll be sold here as well.

One of my friends converted some time ago. Now I'm worried sick about her burning herself out while trying to be Perfect, her getting heat for having a non-mormon friend she won't and can't convert, her getting brainswashed (she's pretty liberal and free-minded, and I'm especially worried about how long that will that last) and so on. :(

On a lighter note, I found some gems on the Missionary Rules List:
55. Do not swim.
It must suck for the missionary who accidentally falls into a body of water.

60. Never be alone.
I... I take that the missionaries can at least use the bathroom and take showers without others?

61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
What exactly is "having difficulties"? Are missionaries supposed to rat out on each other on anything that might be deconstrued as being Against The Rules or what?

79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
Does this extend to, say, calling an ambulance? I can just about imagine a panicked missionary newbie calling the local equivalent of 911 dozens of times to obey this rule at all times.

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Mission question for you!
[info]holyschist
2009-01-09 12:16 am UTC (link)
What about Mormon kids who go on Mission a year into their non-Utah college? There was a freshman in my hall who got a year of taking classes and making friends and then off he went--I don't know if he came back to the same college or what happened to him, but that seemed awfully hard to me--I mean, why not postpone college until after the mission? Is this common?

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Re: Mission question for you!
[info]stoney321
2009-01-09 12:44 am UTC (link)
Oh, good question! You know, it depends on when their birthday is, how determined they are, lots of things.

But schools will usually suspend your education for a religious event like this, then you come back where you left off when you get back home. (You would wait, however, for the semester to end before heading out. When you fill out your mission application, you would indicate that type of thing.)

It's very common to do this, btw.

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Re: Mission question for you! - [info]holyschist, 2009-01-09 02:41 am UTC

[info]terribleangel
2009-01-09 08:00 pm UTC (link)
I always feel a combination of pity/anger when I see mormon missionaries. Pity for the boys, anger at the church/culture that brainwashed them into doing it.

I saw a pair canvassing our neighborhood once when I was driving home from the grocrey store. I wanted to give them hot dogs and sprite (AKA Mormon Beer) and ask them pointed questions and provide them with uncomforable facts, but my girlfriend sent them away when I was in the bathroom :(.

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